George Washington was a traitor
All the men and women who faught to make this country into a free nation, were traitors. Traitors to England. What if we had lost that war? We might be a country like Australia, who's 'mother' nation is England. Would the uprising be known as "The uprising of 1776" or something like that? How much would be different here now if we had lost? Well we already know we wouldn't be looking at Washington and Jefferson as fathers of this nation, we'd think of them as traitors.
Washington was aland surveyor at age 19 - I can't even figure out the square footage of my backyard at my *mumble* years of age and at 19 he was surveying land!
What about Ben Franklin? Would he have been caught and killed or would he have gotten away to continue with all the scientific projects we take for granted now a days. He figured out about electricity, he made eye glasses, he even made 3-d eye glasses. He was highly intelligent - enough to know he did not want to be the President of the United States.
And Jefferson was a man before his time too, he kept 40 years of DAILY weather records... the first for this nation. He actually started the national weather bureau (Thank you weather channel). He did allot of things during his life as well... How come all we do is sit around and watch TV with our lives? Ooops off track...
Course we might never have had the war between the states, the war of 1812, or the mexican american war - there is that. England would have abolished slavory on American soil like it did on English soil, she would have just swooped in and taken Mexico and added her to their nation, and what was the war of 1812 about again?
Anyway, if not for these men, who were traitors but who had seen a true and rightouse vision of a better place, we might all be drinking tea at tea time, still honoring the kings and queens of England, and fully outraged that the Prince was marrying a horse! Instead... we're amused. And thankfull we were founded by a bunch of traitors.
God Bless America
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Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.
-- George Washington, first President of the United States, born today, 1732
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But just when I'm feeling all warm and cuddly about my nation I read something that embarresses me... England is making headway in providing more equality for gays/lesbians this time in the military.
So if we're such a progressive country, and Bush is spouting to Russia about it's peoples civil liberties - how come we aren't giving equal rights to ALL of our people? Could it be *gasp* that we have allowed the religious right, into our Government? Hell yeah we have. If you don't think so, just think about who the man at the pulpit pushes at his followers. The one the churches want of course. And if we have a candidate who wants to try to get equal rights to all the Americans - including gays/lesbians, well then, the church isn't going to spout that persons virtue to it's congregation now is it?
We faught England to have freedom from opression, freedom of religion, and lower taxes (just to name a few) and here we are 200 years later and England is more advanced than we are. (Of course they've had thousands of years to figure it out, we don't seem to want to learn from their mistakes, and like children, we have to learn the hard way.)
Goddess bless us, for we are still children.
Washington was aland surveyor at age 19 - I can't even figure out the square footage of my backyard at my *mumble* years of age and at 19 he was surveying land!
What about Ben Franklin? Would he have been caught and killed or would he have gotten away to continue with all the scientific projects we take for granted now a days. He figured out about electricity, he made eye glasses, he even made 3-d eye glasses. He was highly intelligent - enough to know he did not want to be the President of the United States.
And Jefferson was a man before his time too, he kept 40 years of DAILY weather records... the first for this nation. He actually started the national weather bureau (Thank you weather channel). He did allot of things during his life as well... How come all we do is sit around and watch TV with our lives? Ooops off track...
Course we might never have had the war between the states, the war of 1812, or the mexican american war - there is that. England would have abolished slavory on American soil like it did on English soil, she would have just swooped in and taken Mexico and added her to their nation, and what was the war of 1812 about again?
Anyway, if not for these men, who were traitors but who had seen a true and rightouse vision of a better place, we might all be drinking tea at tea time, still honoring the kings and queens of England, and fully outraged that the Prince was marrying a horse! Instead... we're amused. And thankfull we were founded by a bunch of traitors.
God Bless America
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.
-- George Washington, first President of the United States, born today, 1732
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
But just when I'm feeling all warm and cuddly about my nation I read something that embarresses me... England is making headway in providing more equality for gays/lesbians this time in the military.
So if we're such a progressive country, and Bush is spouting to Russia about it's peoples civil liberties - how come we aren't giving equal rights to ALL of our people? Could it be *gasp* that we have allowed the religious right, into our Government? Hell yeah we have. If you don't think so, just think about who the man at the pulpit pushes at his followers. The one the churches want of course. And if we have a candidate who wants to try to get equal rights to all the Americans - including gays/lesbians, well then, the church isn't going to spout that persons virtue to it's congregation now is it?
We faught England to have freedom from opression, freedom of religion, and lower taxes (just to name a few) and here we are 200 years later and England is more advanced than we are. (Of course they've had thousands of years to figure it out, we don't seem to want to learn from their mistakes, and like children, we have to learn the hard way.)
Goddess bless us, for we are still children.
posted by Wench` at 9:25 AM
4 Comments:
That's inspiring - well at least the first part. I wish I had more time to sit and read and think on it than I do today.
A ferw observations, from the one who said Goddess vbless us. Is this also not a religoous veiw? Or is it only those mean andevil Christaisn who need to stay out of Government?
Lets not kid ourselves, Gay rights at this poitn is a jopke. They have equel rights. ( I am aware they "Lack the right to marry", but, given that gay men do marry women, and lesbain women do marry men, this is not true in a legal or logical sence. They have the saem right to marry as anyone else. Same sex marriage is simpley not recognised, whihc isnot rteuely anequel rights issue, since Gay peopel have the same rights ot marry under the definition of marriage as anyone else.)
Many freedoms where wonby the HCurches. The freedom of speech, religion,a nd assembely in your OCnstetution is itsself the result of those evil Baptosts. You know, the fundies you fight today.
Chruches aren't the problem, and indeed, it was the evil religious CHruiches that helped abolish slavery, in both England and the US. ( Chck the Abolitionist Preachers and John Wesley... dispite the modernclaim that the churches hold bakc progress,while spoutign Nonsene abotuthe Goddess and new age or neo-pagan crapbeign mroe progressive, try readign the Hisotry.)
Chruches dotn hold bakc progress.
And gay rights is far mroe complexe an issue than simpely syaing "Their gay and thus must be given equel rights." Scientistss, not religious leaders or the commonman, actual honest to goodness scintists, can't even determien the cause of it. But its pretty well determind that Homosexuality isnt Genetic. Most likely a combination of various factors.
The reason its opposed is base don moral concenrs, which you may not xshare, but which arent backwards.
Try to acutlaly be understanding and tolerent. Tolerent isnt takign the gay rights side whoel slamming "The religious rights" and compalingin about who chruches puch, and endign with "Goddess bless us."
Just why do you think Goddess woudl eb for Gay rights anyway? Because your told this by HER religiosu leaders, who are just as agenda minded as those you protest.
Just because you agree with soemthign doesnt mean that peopl who disagree ar euncivil or oppressive. They may have their reasons as well.
As to the US beign foudned on treason, bein English, I agree.
The USA relaly had no place bign fored, and maybe we wodul even still Have an Empire; After all, American inspired the current form of Gobal Governance,and I disagree thatits a good thing, givent he level of Chaos its prodiced.
A ferw observations, from the one who said Goddess vbless us. Is this also not a religoous veiw? Or is it only those mean andevil Christaisn who need to stay out of Government?
Lets not kid ourselves, Gay rights at this poitn is a jopke. They have equel rights. ( I am aware they "Lack the right to marry", but, given that gay men do marry women, and lesbain women do marry men, this is not true in a legal or logical sence. They have the saem right to marry as anyone else. Same sex marriage is simpley not recognised, whihc isnot rteuely anequel rights issue, since Gay peopel have the same rights ot marry under the definition of marriage as anyone else.)
Many freedoms where wonby the HCurches. The freedom of speech, religion,a nd assembely in your OCnstetution is itsself the result of those evil Baptosts. You know, the fundies you fight today.
Chruches aren't the problem, and indeed, it was the evil religious CHruiches that helped abolish slavery, in both England and the US. ( Chck the Abolitionist Preachers and John Wesley... dispite the modernclaim that the churches hold bakc progress,while spoutign Nonsene abotuthe Goddess and new age or neo-pagan crapbeign mroe progressive, try readign the Hisotry.)
Chruches dotn hold bakc progress.
And gay rights is far mroe complexe an issue than simpely syaing "Their gay and thus must be given equel rights." Scientistss, not religious leaders or the commonman, actual honest to goodness scintists, can't even determien the cause of it. But its pretty well determind that Homosexuality isnt Genetic. Most likely a combination of various factors.
The reason its opposed is base don moral concenrs, which you may not xshare, but which arent backwards.
Try to acutlaly be understanding and tolerent. Tolerent isnt takign the gay rights side whoel slamming "The religious rights" and compalingin about who chruches puch, and endign with "Goddess bless us."
Just why do you think Goddess woudl eb for Gay rights anyway? Because your told this by HER religiosu leaders, who are just as agenda minded as those you protest.
Just because you agree with soemthign doesnt mean that peopl who disagree ar euncivil or oppressive. They may have their reasons as well.
As to the US beign foudned on treason, bein English, I agree.
The USA relaly had no place bign fored, and maybe we wodul even still Have an Empire; After all, American inspired the current form of Gobal Governance,and I disagree thatits a good thing, givent he level of Chaos its prodiced.
Sorry about the DOubel post , and poor spellings. The spellign is due to Dyslexia. The doubel post I dotn knwo what caused.
Hoqwever, I do weary of the "Tolerant" peopel taking potshots at CHruhces , while pormoting Neo-Pagan beleifs simpelu because htye coincide better withthe morality held by them.\\/
Itsnot tolerant to bash CHruhces and CHristyaisn in general, or insinuate that they hold bakc progress. Its just as intoelrent as slamming Islam for 9/11.
Hekc, not even all CHruches are opposed to Gay marirage, and the Episcopalians even Ordaiend a practicing Gay Bishop. Itsnot eveb a clear cut issue withint he CHurhces,but yet all Chruches everywhere ar eplace din a peg, labled evil and bigoted,and then we praise the Goddesfor begn mor understandign than the CHristain "god".
Ive heard it before, its remarkabely narrow minded.
Heck, even those who oppose Gay rights now arent oppising civil liberties to gay peopel, they oppose offerign special protection to peiple who choose to liveas Homosexuals.And make no mistake, peopel choose how they live. If we didntbeleive this, we woulhave tobeekve they are robots, not worhty or respect becausethey cannot make choices.
Homosexuals have the right tovote.If theirhosues arebroken into, police iwll investigate. They canhold jobs and earna living. They can share their viewsand opinions and have full freedom of pseech, assembley, and religion.
They donot lack any rights given anyone else.
And as noted above, Gay Marirage cantexist, sicneHomosexuality is not the same thign as race. One canbe blakc and gay, or white and gay. Homosexuality is mroe akin to vegitarianism. ( I happen tobe a egitarian so roll with me here.)
Itsbased on what they do, not what they are.
I am only a vegitarianbecauseI dont eat meat. Homosexuals ar eonly Homosexual based on desirign and havignsex withmembers of the samegender.
Recognition of same-sex marriage can occure,but not gay marirage as theirs no way to tell who is and isnot gay, and the term onlyrefers tobehavioural patterns.
The definition of mariage meanwhile is that its betwen 1 man and 1 wo,an.
Since this is a definition of an instetution, its not rlelay a right they lack, but a realitythat they cannot unitewith members of the same sex inmariagebecause mariageisnt defiend this way.
Regardless of rather your for or agaibt Gay marirage, please note that those opposed arent all midnless fools, and arent opposed ot civil rights for Gays so much as takigna stnd on what they truely beleive in.
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